“I think it’s going to come, not from spillover, it’s going to come from gain-of-function research or intentional bioterrorism. It’s going to be a bird flu virus that is manipulated to be able to transmit human-to-human, very similar to what we saw with COVID,” Redfield said.
During the interview, Redfield broke from his former colleagues, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Francis Collins. “I do believe that Fauci and Collins are working in what they believe is in the best interest of science. I totally disagree with them. They are strong advocates of gain-of-function research. I am a strong advocate for a moratorium on gain-of-function research, because I do believe it’s very probable that this pandemic was a direct consequence of science.”
Dr. Redfield, a virologist, was on former President Trump’s “Federal Coronavirus Task Force.” During the press briefings, Redfield sometimes broke from Fauci’s narratives. Thereunto, Redfield was not included in the infamous Feb 1, 2020 teleconference led by the National Institutes of Health and the World Health Organization. Redfield and other key scientists spoke out about evidence of SARS-CoV-2 coming from a lab, but their concerns were snuffed out as conspiracy theory, and Fauci directed the publishing of “The Proximal Origins of SARS-CoV-2” to assert that covid-19 was of natural origin, and any claims to the contrary were "misinformation."
In the interview, Dr. Redfield said “there’s a strong interest in protecting their (Fauci’s) view -- protecting “science” that is protecting gain-of-function research.” Dr. Redfield said Fauci tried to “shift the debate” and push a narrative “that this obviously didn’t come from the laboratory, this obviously came from nature.”
Redfield said covid-19 is not solely the fault of the Chinese. “Secondarily, you know, I don’t necessarily blame the Chinese lab, per say,” Redfield said. “The reality is, the US government funded this work. The NIH funded it, the USAID funded it; the State Department funded it; and the DOD funded it. So, the United States funded the research and the scientific community largely in America and Europe fostered the gain-of-function research, which was the basis for which this virus came.”
Redfield continued, “Tony’s right, that prior to gain-of-function research, the only way new pathogens came into the human species, was spillover, but now in the presence of gain-of-function research, where you can take a pathogen into a laboratory and change it, then no longer does the species barrier really define the event in humans. It can actually come.”
And Redfield believes a new pandemic is already being planned. “I do believe the next pandemic, and we’re going to have another pandemic and I think it’s going to be the great pandemic,” he said. “I consider COVID a minor pandemic, the great pandemic’s going to come. And normally, it would come from spillover…bird flu that learns how to transmit to humans and then go to human-to-human. But I think the species barriers are very real. But it’s much more probable that it will happen because of gain-of-function research in a laboratory and then escape and then we’re going to have a pandemic…which will be much more brutal to the world than COVID was,” he warned.